Confused (Muawiyah/Hasan/Ali/Yazid)

[Arsl]

Im trying to understand the conflict between Muawiyah (ra) and Ali (ra) and also the reason for Karbala.

What I dont understand is, why did Hasan (ra) agree with Muawiyah in appointing Yazid as the caliph when this would clearly turn the khilafa into a dynasty? Why did muawiyah (ra0 want to appoint his son as a caliph in the first place? I dont mean to question the decision of a sahabi, but Im just very confused.

Also, how did Hasan ibn Ali die? Shia's say that he was poisoned by his wife on the order of Muawiyah, is this true? This wouldn't make sense though.

Also, I came upon this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muawiya...flict_with_Ali

Its says that in the battle of the Vamel, Ali's (ra) army kill Talhah (ra) and al-Zubayr (ra) ! How can this be when these were all companions of the Prophet, why did they fight each other to death? I just don't understand how one Sahabi could kill another, especially one like Talhah (ra) who was one of the Promised Ten.


If someone could kindly explain the answer to these questions I'll be satisfied.

[TripolySunni]

al-Salmu Aleykum,

Read the biography of `Ali (ra) in this book here:
http://www.kalamullah.com/ali-ibn-abi-talib.html

It talks about battle of Jamal and battle of Siffeen.

[Rifai]

Arsl

1. Al-Hasan did not agree with apointing Yazid as his successor, in fact, Al-Hasan passed away before Mu'awiyah. According to some narrations it also went against the explicit treaty agreed to by Al-Hasan and Mu'awiyah.

2. There are, as far as I know, no authentic narrations that Al-Hasan was poisoned at the order of Mu'awiyah. However, many Ulama of Ahl al-Sunnah lean towards believing in the narrations implicating Yazid, rather than his father.

3. Talha and Zubayr both decided to leave the battle field, as they were reminded of the Prophetic ahadith that Ali ibn Abi Talib will be on Haqq, etc. Zubayr was killed by Amr ibn Jurmuz after having left the battlefield, and Talha was shot by Marwan ibn al-Hakam.

May Allah Ta'ala be pleased with all the Sahaba.

wa Allahu a'lam

[AbuFatimah]

shia need to be annhilated inshallah (intellectually of course)

hope some good refutations are posted here inshallah

educating people about why shia are wrong is certainly worth doing bi ithnillah

[AbuFatimah]

Arsl

1. Al-Hasan did not agree with apointing Yazid as his successor, in fact, Al-Hasan passed away before Mu'awiyah. According to some narrations it also went against the explicit treaty agreed to by Al-Hasan and Mu'awiyah.

2. There are, as far as I know, no authentic narrations that Al-Hasan was poisoned at the order of Mu'awiyah. However, many Ulama of Ahl al-Sunnah lean towards believing in the narrations implicating Yazid, rather than his father.

3. Talha and Zubayr both decided to leave the battle field, as they were reminded of the Prophetic ahadith that Ali ibn Abi Talib will be on Haqq, etc. Zubayr was killed by Amr ibn Jurmuz after having left the battlefield, and Talha was shot by Marwan ibn al-Hakam.

May Allah Ta'ala be pleased with all the Sahaba.

wa Allahu a'lam

1) yazid wasnt hassans successor, muawiyyah was. and hassan agreed to this. a narration states taht teh prophet saw said hassan will bring two factions together

2) can you provide the narrations and which scholars lean this way?

3) the narration didnt exactly say that ali will be on haqh. bring the full narration so we can see the exact wording inshallah. be careful because shia will twist things. there is a narration in their most authentic book called usool al kafi that to bring someone to shia by lying is better than saving an oppressed person. they are habitual liars and willing to say whatever to bring you to shia. they will give half narrations, twist things and do anything possible with no care as to whether they are being truth or deceitful

[flyingphtm]

assalamu alykum

Please show proper respect when taking the names of the Sahaba's Jazakallah

[al_Zayn]

assalamu alykum

Please show proper respect when taking the names of the Sahaba's Jazakallah

[Abu Zakir]

Shia are wrong basically because they allege that Islam failed and did not alter anything with the Prophethood of Muhammad . That a hidden imamat will restore justice near4 the end of time, that we have imperfection in government until the end of time. That we must weep for the family of the rasul because they died (not as shaheed which is a matter of happiness), and we must live in this world waiting for this hidden imam to emerge...just keep waiting and waiting and weeping and hoping the end of the world arrives soon. Crazy religion. It is not Islam.

[Arsl]

1. Al-Hasan did not agree with apointing Yazid as his successor, in fact, Al-Hasan passed away before Mu'awiyah. According to some narrations it also went against the explicit treaty agreed to by Al-Hasan and Mu'awiyah.

Are you sure Hasan didn't agree? Also, why did Muawiyah (ra) decide to appoint Yazid as his successor when this would clearly turn the khilafa into a dynasty? This was the whole reason for the Karbala, if Mauwiyah (ra) never appointed yazid as his successor, then Karbala would not have happened. So why did muawiyah (ra) do it?

2. There are, as far as I know, no authentic narrations that Al-Hasan was poisoned at the order of Mu'awiyah. However, many Ulama of Ahl al-Sunnah lean towards believing in the narrations implicating Yazid, rather than his father.

So some ulema believe yazid ordered the poisoning of Hasan? Why would yazid do this when Hasan (ra) did not even oppose him, rather Husain (ra) did.

3. Talha and Zubayr both decided to leave the battle field, as they were reminded of the Prophetic ahadith that Ali ibn Abi Talib will be on Haqq, etc. Zubayr was killed by Amr ibn Jurmuz after having left the battlefield, and Talha was shot by Marwan ibn al-Hakam.

This makes more sense,

[Abu Zakir]

Muawiyah (RA) was a man, a sahabi is not like a nabi, he may have made a mistake in appointing his own son without knowing what he would do.

Shia ideas are foolish...ahlul bait are beloved but they were not supposed to be political leaders...if they had been leaders through our history they would have been deified or made into Gods...some of the shia give their hidden imams God like attributes. It is a silly religion no worth listening to, it is not Islam.

In the akhira yazid will be held responsible for all his crimes. Nuh alayhis salam son was a kafir, you cannot hold Nuh alahis salam responsible for this.