Argumentative Muslims --> APOSTASY!!

[Dawud Israel]

Something I have been thinking about lately, especially seeing the anger, arguing and rigid behaviour in threads on this forum...please brothers and sisters, stay away from arguing and take care of your fellow brothers and sisters soul. Islam will endure, but not every Muslim will die a Muslim, so take care of them.

Here are Abdullah bin Hamid Ali's words on this topic. For those who want to read more on this can add him on Facebook.

There was a time when it was unheard of for a Muslim to leave Islam for any reason. I remember those days like they were yesterday. This is when things were a whole lot simpler, when people focused on the basics of human necessity and brotherhood. Over the past few years, I, personally, know of three cases of people leaving Islam. One became a Buddhist. Another became an Atheist. And the third was a good friend of mine who accepted Islam almost 2 decades ago who refuses to answer my phone calls to help me understand what happened with him. But when I reflect on all three of these people, there is one consistent thread. Each of them was extreme in their understanding in that they felt it necessary to be affiliated with some "elite" group of Muslims, and held tenaciously to the group's dogma. They loved to argue about religion more than using it to repair broken souls even though they claimed to be giving people pure water to drink. Instead of blaming Islam for not being able to find the nourishment they felt they couldn't get, they should blame their own temperaments. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said, "People are misled after God has guided them as a consequence of their obsession with disputation."

ما ضل قوم بعد أن هداهم الله إلا أوتوا الجدل

In that same thread...on one sister's leaving Islam...

From her vantage point, there are not a whole lot of people nor are there a sufficient number of mosques there with people whose company would provide people like her with the kind of spiritual support she needed/needs. She would only find herself in the presence of a lot of people who consider deen to be all about religious debate and hairsplitting, a focus on superficiality, and judgmental behavior. I'm not saying I support her decision. I'm just saying that I can understand it especially since she had enough negative experiences with being judged growing up even when she trying to learn about Islam. In particular case, she and my other sister were barred from coming to one family's home, because they didn't wear the hijab.

[Acacia]

JazakAllah khayran for the reminder. A few days ago, I noticed a comment to one Youtube video from someone who identified themselves as a convert to Islam along the lines in OP. And, just yesterday I watched an interview with 2 sisters who accepted Islam later in life and how, had they not had the strength to keep going, they could have left Islam not because of argumentations but because of a sudden push from everyone and a sense of burden to change everything about their lives - habits they've formed over 20-30 years - everything all of a sudden becoming 'haram'; the sisters talk about how difficult it was for them and how eventually they stopped listening to people and demanded proof that what they were doing was wrong (which could lead to arguments).

It isn't just converts but born Muslims too. We have to remember (this goes for me first, before anyone else... I'm terrible about this) that we're all at different stages of development and that we follow different schools of jurisprudence so some differences are inevitable.

I must apologize here to all Muslim brothers and sisters I may have engaged in unnecessary arguments with, jeopardizing our bonds of sisterhood and brotherhood, and jeopardizing our faith.

JazakAllah khayran brother.

[Salman_Hanafi]

This is quite an issue, i personally believe that whoever has Imaan in himself will try to refrain from arguing with a muslim in such a manner that can jeopardise his Imaan...I, too, am horrible at this in real life, we need to keep the egos in check...May Allah allow us all to die in the best state of Faith, amaal, and character..

[dawaheed]

Thank you for removing the reply finger pointing people by name. It was in bad form.

[AbuFatimah]

this thread is spot on

teh question is, will you act uopn it and remember it, or just mull over it for a few minutes and then go back to square one?

The ummah is in a terrible mess and the sooner we have a long hard rethink about how we are behaving, the sooner we can change the way we are doing things and save this ummah from its current terrible situation

Im being honest, my experience uopn coming into islam has been terrible and sometimes I dispair and think I will never forgive the muslims for the situation they have created for themselves and the new reverts

[Idil_]

''people who consider deen to be all about religious debate and hairsplitting, a focus on superficiality, and judgmental behavior.''



This describes this forum to the T.

[dr.ati]

I must say that the main reason behind the wave of apostasy is hidden in our own approach towards Islam. The Muslim thought has been decaying since the last five centuries at least and Islam from a practical social doctrine has turned into a superstitious religion in which some charlatans have been given the authority to lead the Ummah and preserve the "tradition". Except for few , the Ummah is a mental slave and they just keep on defending what "my akaabir" say. Ever since the 9/11 the world has been turning into a global level on a massive speed. The present shape of our religious understanding is too fragile to cope with the challenges of the time and we are not ready to change a bit from "our akaabir".

[Abu Zakir]

There have always been apostates. May be the quantity has now increased...generally people want to be part of a successful club, If Muslims appear to be in trouble all the time and they do not have any victories they will lose people. Individually as well people burn out...they get into religion get too hot, and a few years down the line they are burnt out, they did not nourish their own soul and got into religious arguments about who is right and who is deviated. I think we are living through confused times with many dislocated and disenchanted people living through the turbulence of modernity, alienation, cultural nihilism and globalization..people search for something and fail to internalize the deeper spiritual values of Ihsan.

[iSoK]

There have always been apostates. May be the quantity has now increased...generally people want to be part of a successful club, If Muslims appear to be in trouble all the time and they do not have any victories they will lose people. Individually as well people burn out...they get into religion get too hot, and a few years down the line they are burnt out, they did not nourish their own soul and got into religious arguments about who is right and who is deviated. I think we are living through confused times with many dislocated and disenchanted people living through the turbulence of modernity, alienation, cultural nihilism and globalization..people search for something and fail to internalize the deeper spiritual values of Ihsan.

You couldn't have said it better.

[Revert2001]

There have always been apostates. May be the quantity has now increased...generally people want to be part of a successful club, If Muslims appear to be in trouble all the time and they do not have any victories they will lose people. Individually as well people burn out...they get into religion get too hot, and a few years down the line they are burnt out, they did not nourish their own soul and got into religious arguments about who is right and who is deviated. I think we are living through confused times with many dislocated and disenchanted people living through the turbulence of modernity, alienation, cultural nihilism and globalization..people search for something and fail to internalize the deeper spiritual values of Ihsan.

Great post......concise and to the point....