Where is allah
Asalamualyukum I was taking the online class on aqeeda with Billal Phillips. He gave many evidence's and proofs that Allah is above and over is Arsh. He said that sufi's believe that Allah is everywhere. I know most ppl on this site are Sufi so please explain where you believe Allah is?
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Mr. Philips does not know what he is talking about. I ask you, what did you understand when he said "Allah is above the arsh" ? What did it mean to you? What did you understand by it ?
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السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته و مغفرتهOriginally Posted by hamzaln
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I think it depends on what Sufi's mean when they say Allah is everywhere. Many people say things like, Allah can see what you are doing, He can hear what you say etc etc. Most people by saying that do not mean to say Allah SWT has eyes with which He sees what we are doing like we see each other, rather they are using it metaphorically. I would say the same about the statement that Allah SWT is everywhere. If they mean His knowledge is not deficient and He knows everything that you do then it is a correct statement.
All statements should be thought about carefully. Something that sounds like shirk might be perfectly fine depending on the intention. I always knew what people meant when they said Allah SWT sees everything, it is only recently I realised a few individuals interpret it literally and thus say it is a statement of kufr.
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This is a misconception on behalf of the salafis, Allah'ssigns are everywhere, but Allah himself transcends his creation. He is not limited to a particular time and space. (may more knowledgeable correct me if I am wrong, as I am particularly fearful in regards to the matters of aqeedah, lest any wrong assumption of mine should take me out of the fold of Islam.)
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Sufis don't have their own aqidah (beliefs) or fiqh (Islamic Law). The Sufis follow the Aqida (Beliefs) of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah, and the best text to seek out concerning the beliefs (aqida) of Ahlus Sunnah is to refer to Imam Tahawi's text on Aqidah, entitled, Aqidah Tahawi..... In Aqida Tahawi, there is no mention about the location or address of Allah.... It does say, "Allah is exalted beyond having limits (hudud) placed on Him or having boundaries (ghayat) or having parts (arkan) or organs (adawat) nor is He contained by the six directions (jihat) as all created things are."
So what this means, is that we do not believe Allah is literally up, because this would entail that something is below Allah...
Although Allah says in the Quran, "The Merciful established Himself over the Throne." (20:5)
The Messenger of Allah in an authentic hadith while praying to Allah said, "“O Allah, You are the first: there is nothing before You; and You are the last: there is nothing after You. You are the Manifest (al-Zahir): there is nothing above You. You are the Hidden (al-Batin): there is nothing below You.”
(Sahih Muslim)
Imam Bayhaqi said, "What was mentioned towards the end of the Hadith is an indication of denying Allah has a place and denying the slave is alike to Allah , wherever he was, in proximity or remoteness. Allah, the Exalted, is al-Dhahir. Hence, it is valid to know about Him by proofs. Allah is al-
Batin. Hence, it is invalid that He would be in a place.
Some of our companions used as a proof to refute the place to Allah the saying of the Prophet : ‘You are al-Dhahir and there is nothing above You, and You are al-Batin and there is nothing underneathYou.’ Therefore, if there is nothing above Him and nothing underneath Him, He is not in a place." (Asma wa Sifat)
We have to accept both the Quran and hadith... but we do not understand literally, because that would entail a contradiction.... So it is best to accept what has come to us in the Quran and Sunnah as true and remain silent concerning the details.... and say Allah knows best...
Because Allah says in the Quran, "Say:'The things that my Lord has forbidden.... saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge." (7:33)
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Sufis would speak with inward sciences and they have their contextual perspective to the meaning of Quran and hadith. Theologians would speak from outward sciences and they have their contextual perspectives to Quran and hadith. Dogmatics transmitters would speak by mere affirmation of what has come in the Quran and hadith without interpretation or by using other Quranic or hadith texts to interpet. All of them at the end of have the same basic belief but further interpretations are expressed from different perspectives without any contradictions.
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could you please ask Mr. Phillips, what he means by sufis and what are there characteristics?
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In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatuh
Where is Allah
Mufti Ebrahim Desai says in his Istiftaa # 14455 on Askimam:
Allah Ta’ala is pure and free from all similarities to human beings. By confining Allah to a specific place, like the Arsh, a form is automatically being attributed to Allah. Once a form/shape is attributed to Allah, a deficiency is being attributed to Allah Ta’ala. Since, time and place are both created things.
Allah was how He was and still is the same. He is not affected by the passing of time. It is, therefore, improper to say Allah is on the Arsh. Similarly, it is improper to say Allah is everywhere. The best and safest option is the stance adopted by our Salaf (pious predecessors), i.e. to believe in Allah as He is without delving into the details on these issues. (Al-Iemaanu billaah).
It is further mentioned in Istiftaa # 8290,
Saadu-deen Taftazani rehma tAllah alayh has explained the aspect of 'Where is Allah' in the following words, 'And He is not at any place'. (Sharh Aqaaid)
Imaam Maalik rehmat Allah alayh was asked about the Aayat in Surah Taaha, 'Allah is above His Ársh', he answered 'Being above (Istawaa) is known but the reality is unknown and - questioning that - is innovation.'
Jaaluddin Suyyuti rehmatallah alayh also comments on the Aayat saying, 'Istawaa (being above) according to whatever is appropriate for Allah. (Jalaalayn vol. 2 p. 260).
However, the verse does not speak about the Zaat of Allah Taãla being on the Ársh but it is to indicate the establishment and control of the Kingdom of Allah by Himself.
With regards to the view of Mufti Mahmood Hasan Saheb rehmatallah alayh, it is imperative to read the whole fatwa and understand it completely. For this reason we have reproduced the Fatwa below.
"It is the Aqeeda of Ahl Sunnah Wal Jama'a that Allah is everywhere, knower of every aspect (big or small), and nothing is hidden from Him. It is established from the Explicit Sources and Fortified Proofs. Allah says,
"لا يعزب عنه مثقال ذرة فى السماوات و لا فى الارض ولا اصغر ولا اكبر الا فى كتاب مبين"
But unlike other things, Allah is not restricted to one specific place, because He is not voluminous entity. He is eternal and time and space are His creation. The how can He be restricted within the place?
ولا محدود ولا معدود ولا متبعض ولا متجز ولا شريك منها ولا يجرى عليه الزمان ( شرح عقائد نسفى صـ 32)
And in some texts where a specific place is mentioned, then there the intended meaning is not that place is restricted for Allah rather what is intended is that Allah’s attribute of knowledge or some other attribute empowers upon that place.” (Fatawa Mahmoodiya Vol.6 Pg.67)
From this text we understand that the statement “Allah is everywhere” has two aspects.
That its explanation according to Mufti Mahmood Saheb rehmatullah alayh is given as “knower of every aspect (big or small), and nothing is hidden from Him”.
And also that the above is substantiated by the last part of his fatwa where the attribute of Allah’s Knowledge empowers every bit of this universe and more.
And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Wassalamu Alaykum
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What about this Hadith
“Muawiyyah bin al-Hakam related that he once had a young slave girl who tended his sheep, and upon finding that she had allowed some of them to be lost, he slapped her on the face. Immediately he realized that he had sinned, for the Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) had forbidden striking any person or animal on the face. So he went to the Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) and asked whether he could free her as a means of atonement. The Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) told him to bring the girl. When she arrived, the Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) asked her where Allah was, and she replied, ‘Above the heavens.’ Then he asked her who he was, and she replied, ‘You are the Messenger of Allah.’ He then turned to Muawiyyah (radi Allahu anhu) and told him, ‘Free her, for she is a believer.’” [Muslim]
From this it seems as if that is what the prophet agrees with?
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Assalamu Alaikum wa RahmatullahAsalamualyukum I was taking the online class on aqeeda with Billal Phillips. He gave many evidence's and proofs that Allah is above and over is Arsh. He said that sufi's believe that Allah is everywhere. I know most ppl on this site are Sufi so please explain where you believe Allah is?
Yet another Sunniforum thread on where is Allah?
Do you think there is anything that happens that He cannot see?
Do you think there is anything that happens that He cannot hear?
Even Salafis like Bilal Philips accept that Allah is everywhere with his knowledge.
Explore what everywhere with your knowledge means, in your imagination.
Furthermore...
Is Allah not in His own words nearer to you than your jugular vein?
Is it not the case that wherever you turn there is the face of Allah?
Some Sufis say Allah is everywhere but it is not a simple issue like you think.
Most traditional Muslims think that Allah is not limited to a place, that is not the same thing as being everywhere.
Words break down when we try to describe an unimaginable Creator.
Read Aqeedah Tahawiyyah a book written by a great Imam of the Salaf.
It should help you with your confusion and stop you falling into certain errors InshaAllah.
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