maulana Abu Hajira

[mh16388]

It may not work for the problem you are mentioning since that has to do with the whole internet/media. But it does solve the problem of any abuse towards the Jihad you may object to on this forum. So the formula is to solve the issue of this form, and not for the ummah.

how does it solve anything when the 'abuse' cannot be rectified by reporting the post but probably by discussion? and then again this isnt abuse per se but standard unqualified objection. since this is a very popular and large forum the problems of ummah automatically can be seen in the threads. even many so-called secularists on the forum were expressing disgust as to how secondary issues were being discussed while Muslim have been slaughtered. the trend is changing very fast.

[mh16388]

Muslims forums are constantly being monitored by outsiders, they just need a little excuse..some members are from Asia and Middle east where these types of posts have not been taken very seriously

But in the UK and America they are looking for any excuse...i remember some years back a young sister from the UK was arrested because of some poetry she wrote about mujahideen! her and her family suffered for this as the whole story became big news and pictures of the sister were published on the internet, and i think she was imprisoned for some time..wallahu alam

so the members living in west should not enter the discussions about J!had then. for it is unfair that if you do enter such a discussion and someone gives you proof you refuse to indulge further. then again, for them to do that even obvious contemporary issues should not be discussed by them as it would obviously involve an angle in which J!had is discussed. an example: syria.

Some of the members on the forum are very young and jazbati, they say things which can easily be misunderstood and used against them

the onus is on personal restriction then not on the topic itself.

on some forums they have even had non-muslims join and pretend to be Muslims and start discussions on jihaad to get the youngsters riled up

non-Muslims may disguise themselves as Muslim and destroy people's aqeedah via giving false information and manipulating narrations. the solution is to catch them quickly and dispose them off the forum.

talking about these things online is not a wise move...and if they are to be discussed...people need to use hikmah when defending mujahideen

people understand the problems associated. then again, if not online then where? the masajids in islamic countries dont talk about J!had, the television channels don't, so where?


this kind of restriction i have seen somewhere else as well. on forums that are forced to be secular but need not be. like online discussion forums of alumni, country-building, poverty eradication etc. these forums also have a rule of discussions on religion are discouraged (but not banned). these people do not visit any islamic forum, they do not read anything on islam by looking for it so they need to have Islam brought to them. i remember on my alumni group someone posted against shabaan 15ht. people read it and no hanafis objected. then some liberal started berating such discussions saying there are separate groups for this - carry them out there. (there was no argument , nothing to incite such a claim)

why would liberals go to islamic forums? the deen ahs to be brought to them.
similarly why would majority of the members of this forum go to j!hadi forums? the fiqh of J!had and knowledge of the current J!had has to be brought to them.

as i said the trends and topics of discussions are changing fast. behaviors need to be dynamic.

[abuhajira]

As I said.. The decision of shurah on the issue is already passed and enforced. Whether someone likes it or not.

so lets just swallow that bit, and make use of the forum in whatever feable capacity it offers. I am sure jh forum is available for those who wish to discuss jihad issues.

[Servant.of.Allah]

@All,

Since Mashwara is made. Lets go with it - there is khair, Allah's help in Mashwara.

[mh16388]

please remember:
Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.

(in some narrations it is said 'died the death of Jahiliyyah')

merely stating i consider Jihad to be an integral part of islam doesn't do justice.

one has to know:
- why to fight?
- who to fight?
- who to join?
- how to fight?
- when to fight?
- is it obligatory to fight?
- where to fight?

consider the following brief timeline and lets see whether it has something wrong in it:
- three people make three threads about TTP threatening to kill Imran Khan if he took the march to waziristan.
- the sources quoted are all secular, anti-mujahideen.
- there is no confirmation from TTP or comment (to the best of my knowledge) nor was any such confirmation provided. hence could not be refuted immediately.
- the usual slandering of mujahideen and entire J!had starts all over again using meager knowledge of the current affairs, islamic view of democracy, al wala wal bara etc.
- threads get deleted, but not before everyone reads it (as there were two of them in different time of the day with respect to the first one). and definitely before any confirmation or explanation from TTP is brought forwards.
- someone opens a new thread explaining TTP's point of view and offers some criticism as well.
- this thread gets deleted as well. almost immediately.

even those who did not see the original three threads on SF may have heard it from elsewhere from media outlets. however how many people saw the refutation/explanation on SF b4 it got deleted? it isnt offered elsewhere on non-jihadi forums i assure you. and then why would they go to jhuf or other forums?
most people dont know about these forums.
many do not go there because they might get arrested for it (yet they never leave an opportunity to comment on the mujahideen)
jhuf is banned in pakistan by PTA. a very few would bother with proxies. (i dont know about other countries)
others prefer sticking to just one forum. why go with the hassle of searching different forums, making accounts etc?
many dislike jihadi forums as propaganda forums.

how does one solve these problems esp the one in italics? do you offer an alternative forum every time such a thread is deleted via a PM to the person who made the thread? or have you written it in the SF rules that kindly visit these forums if you wish to discuss J!had?

whenever some barelvi would come to the forum discussing the usual rhetoric about ml. thanvi namely the donkey, child and madman argument they would be offered a proper refutation. but no such refutation is provided to the daily misinformation spread about mujahideen.

[abuhajira]

please remember:
Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.

(in some narrations it is said 'died the death of Jahiliyyah')

merely stating i consider Jihad to be an integral part of islam doesn't do justice.

one has to know:
- why to fight?
- who to fight?
- who to join?
- how to fight?
- when to fight?
- is it obligatory to fight?
- where to fight?

consider the following brief timeline and lets see whether it has something wrong in it:
- three people make three threads about TTP threatening to kill Imran Khan if he took the march to waziristan.
- the sources quoted are all secular, anti-mujahideen.
- there is no confirmation from TTP or comment (to the best of my knowledge) nor was any such confirmation provided. hence could not be refuted immediately.
- the usual slandering of mujahideen and entire J!had starts all over again using meager knowledge of the current affairs, islamic view of democracy, al wala wal bara etc.
- threads get deleted, but not before everyone reads it (as there were two of them in different time of the day with respect to the first one). and definitely before any confirmation or explanation from TTP is brought forwards.
- someone opens a new thread explaining TTP's point of view and offers some criticism as well.
- this thread gets deleted as well. almost immediately.

even those who did not see the original three threads on SF may have heard it from elsewhere from media outlets. however how many people saw the refutation/explanation on SF b4 it got deleted? it isnt offered elsewhere on non-jihadi forums i assure you. and then why would they go to jhuf or other forums?
most people dont know about these forums.
many do not go there because they might get arrested for it (yet they never leave an opportunity to comment on the mujahideen)
jhuf is banned in pakistan by PTA. a very few would bother with proxies. (i dont know about other countries)
others prefer sticking to just one forum. why go with the hassle of searching different forums, making accounts etc?
many dislike jihadi forums as propaganda forums.

how does one solve these problems esp the one in italics? do you offer an alternative forum every time such a thread is deleted via a PM to the person who made the thread? or have you written it in the SF rules that kindly visit these forums if you wish to discuss J!had?

whenever some barelvi would come to the forum discussing the usual rhetoric about ml. thanvi namely the donkey, child and madman argument they would be offered a proper refutation. but no such refutation is provided to the daily misinformation spread about mujahideen.

Yes, brother you are right. The mods of SF are indeed hypocrite, afterall what other motive would you wish to present here. And no brother, I do not await you to clarify this misunderstanding of mine.

Such blatant speculation on you'll behalf against the mods that you ACTUALLY had to chart out a time line to prove the hypocricy of the Admins of SF. Alhamdulillah, I will stand in the court of Allah when I am accused of the above and can clarify that my sleep did not allow me to take any action. It was only after another mod inform me that I took action.

Now, you may take a nice rest and prepare for your taraweeh. I need to break my fast.