Hadith , Umar Ibn Khattab

**Karim_sunni** · 18-10-2005, 11:57 AM

Sunan Abu Dawud ,Book 11, Number 2142:
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.

I;ve had an discussion with someone about this hadith, i've explained him that this hadith can only be interpretated as followed"

'in Islam wife beating in general is strictly forbidden, except in case of Quran 4:34 (nushuz/rebellion) a husband can lightly spank his wife, and therefore the meaning of this hadith is , that allah swt won't question a man to why he hit his wife, because allah swt made clear in the quran in which situation it is allowed, so a man who this his wife for anu other reason will be punished for it and therefore not even questioned, because the rulings about when it is permisseble are clear'

Is this interpretation correct, and what do classical scholars like Imam nawawi etc say about the meaning of this hadith?

**Abu Hurayrah** · 18-10-2005, 12:19 PM

Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim

Answer is coming soon inshAllah.

I am not sure if you will get one from Imam An-Nawawi since his sharh/explanation is for Sahih Muslim.

Ma salam

**Àmeen** · 18-10-2005, 12:53 PM

As-salamu'alaikum,

Why can you not just accept that this is another FABRICATION / LIE attributed to the good name of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. ?

**salman** · 18-10-2005, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Karim_sunni

I;ve had an discussion with someone about this hadith, i've explained him that this hadith can only be interpretated as followed"

'in Islam wife beating in general is strictly forbidden, except in case of Quran 4:34 (nushuz/rebellion) a husband can lightly spank his wife, and therefore the meaning of this hadith is , that allah swt won't question a man to why he hit his wife, because allah swt made clear in the quran in which situation it is allowed, so a man who this his wife for anu other reason will be punished for it and therefore not even questioned, because the rulings about when it is permisseble are clear'

Is this interpretation correct, and what do classical scholars like Imam nawawi etc say about the meaning of this hadith?

Salamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah

The hadith is narrated in the Sunan of Abu Dawud, Nasa'i, Ibn Majah and the Musnad of Imam Ahmad.

I do not know of this hadith narrated by anyone other then 'Abdur Rahman Al Musuli - who is unknown.

This hadith would thus be weak.

Wasalam

**Karim_sunni** · 18-10-2005, 01:48 PM

shokran Salman, so if i'm correct there are some problem in the isnad of this hadith?

so theres a un-known (unreliable) narrator in the isnad?

**salman** · 18-10-2005, 02:13 PM

Salamu Alaikum

Yes -

**Àmeen** · 18-10-2005, 02:59 PM

As-salamu'alaikum,

A Muslim should not need a scholar to tell them that this is a lie against the Prophet s.a.w.

**Àmeen** · 18-10-2005, 03:14 PM

Salam,

Sorry do I know you from somewhere? Do you know what I do or study or teach?

There are too many LIES in hadith, and likewise too many MUSLIMS who like to uphold these.

**Companion** · 19-10-2005, 02:23 AM

An unconditioned minded and thinking indiviual should conclude this hadith to be NOT the words of the noble prophet.

In Islam, every individual will be responsible in the Day of Judgment for his or her action.

To say that the Prophet said 'a man will go unquestioned as to why he beat his wife' is not suggestive of noble and esteemed charecter of any Prophet of Allah.

It is a lie against the prophet and also most likely a lie against Umr ibn Al Khattab. Let me just remind people here that It was NOT Umar ibn al-Khattab (RA) who nerrated to Abu Dawood (the compiler of this hadith) as it seems on the surface. As Abu Dawood and Umar did not live at the same time. An individual at the time of Abu Dawood nerrated this hadith to AbuDawood. This individual nerrates the hadith and will also nerrate a 'chain of nerrators' to go with it ie. he heard the hadith from his father who had heard it from his uncle, his uncle heard from x,y and z etc. In this particular alleged hadith of the Prophet (SAW) Umar ibn al Khattab happens to be the last one before the Prophet. Quite a long way up the chain of nerrators (sanad), many generations. So my point is it is not as how its made to sound 'Nerrated Umar' because for all you know, it was never nerrated by Umar.

Quite a potential for this hadith to be a made up falsely attributed to the prophet judging mostly by the contents. Also, it is an aknowledged fact that many thousands upon thousands of hadith were being manufectured at around Bukharis time. We should therefore be careful when we attribute something to our beloved prophet of Allah Muhammad (May Allahs peace and mercy be on him) especially something like this as it appears to give 'licence to beat wife/wives" to all Muslim men.

May Allah help us accept what is the truth and reject falsehood.

**Àmeen** · 19-10-2005, 02:31 AM

As-salamu'alaikum,

Contradiction within SAME compilation of hadith (Abu-Dawud):

"Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. " (Book #11, Hadith #2139)