Sun thrown in ocean?

[uali3]

Thanks for the posts, i would go to my local imam's but unfortunately they only speak Urdu (all of them), there is no English speaking Imam within my vicinity. Anyways in my opinion a lot of them are so difficult to contact they may as well be celebrities because they're no use to me (not all off course). The folding up of the sun is actually a metaphor used so there's absolutely nothing wrong with that verse, it is used in relation to circular objects being folded up such as turbans etc. My only issue was the hadith which i'm inclined to think does not exist as nobody can find it.

[uali3]

Thanks for the posts, i would go to my local imam's but unfortunately they only speak Urdu (all of them), there is no English speaking Imam within my vicinity. Anyways in my opinion a lot of them are so difficult to contact they may as well be celebrities because they're no use to me (not all off course). The folding up of the sun is actually a metaphor used so there's absolutely nothing wrong with that verse, it is used in relation to circular objects being folded up such as turbans etc. My only issue was the hadith which i'm inclined to think does not exist as nobody can find it.

I should add, i received a reply from Mufti Menk earlier through email, so not all well known scholars are difficult to contact.

[AbdurRaheem2]

My only issue was the hadith ....

not a good attitude


beware of anti-Islam websites, beware of what sources you read about Islam from as human devils write too you know,

remember your first thread and your second etc all are on these type of things?

all refer to stuff that is promoted in wrong ways on many anti-Islam sites to confuse ignorant people.


Allah (SWT) can make a square triangle

He can make planet earth pass through the eye of a needle.

He can roll up the sky and perfectly re-make the long dead people.


There are no laws of nature

apparent physical laws are just His habits

don't get caught up with the illusion of permanence and solidity of the world as it is


It is just temporary

just a dream

one day we will awake to the real existence


prepare for that day and don't get sidetracked with waswisu

[suleimanibnsalim]

not a good attitude


beware of anti-Islam websites, beware of what sources you read about Islam from as human devils write too you know,

remember your first thread and your second etc all are on these type of things?

all refer to stuff that is promoted in wrong ways on many anti-Islam sites to confuse ignorant people.


Allah (SWT) can make a square triangle

He can make planet earth pass through the eye of a needle.

He can roll up the sky and perfectly re-make the long dead people.


There are no laws of nature

apparent physical laws are just His habits

don't get caught up with the illusion of permanence and solidity of the world as it is


It is just temporary

just a dream

one day we will awake to the real existence


prepare for that day and don't get sidetracked with waswisu

No - you're conflating laws of logic with laws of nature. Yes, 'laws' of nature are subject to change, and yes, it's possible for the sun to exist in an ocean.

However, it's never possible for a square triangle to exist - that's a contradiction in terms, and as such, a meaningless statement which doesn't reflect anything outside of your brain.

Maybe you need to review a few 'aqidah texts yourself?

[AbdurRaheem2]

No - you're conflating laws of logic with laws of nature.

Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah wa Barakatuh my brother


be careful that you are not limiting Allah's omnipotence to your 'logic'

Allah is the master of creation not a set of human constructs that you call 'logic'.


"Allah (SWT) is able to do all things" (Holy Quran 2:109)


tell me where in Quran or Hadeeth there is anything at all that limits Allah Almighty's omnipotence to what we humans deem as 'logic'?

tell me where in Quran or Hadeeth there is anything at all that says that Allah Almighty cannot make a square triangle?

However, it's never possible for a square triangle to exist - that's a contradiction in terms, and as such, a meaningless statement which doesn't reflect anything outside of your brain.

you are assuming that this is my idea and it is not something that I have heard from a Sheikh.

[Abu Zakir]

You should post your answer here in this thread.

I should add, i received a reply from Mufti Menk earlier through email, so not all well known scholars are difficult to contact.

[a.s.]

The text in maariful qur'an saying that the sun will be thrown into the ocean was just one of many interpretations by a past scholar. For all we know, it could be completely wrong.
Nouman Ali khan mentioned in his tafseer that the sun would just be folded up, nothing about it being thrown into the ocean.

Also, aren't the sun and moon supposed to collide on the day of judgment (75:9)? How do we reconcile this with the sun being folded up and thrown into jahannam and/or the ocean?

[uali3]

You should post your answer here in this thread.

He replied to a different question. I emailed him earlier regarding this issue, inshAllah he should reply today or tomorrow and then i'l post it.

[AbdurRaheem2]

You should post your answer here in this thread.

yes it would be beneficial InshaAllah

[dr.ati]

Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah wa Barakatuh my brother


be careful that you are not limiting Allah's omnipotence to your 'logic'

Allah is the master of creation not a set of human constructs that you call 'logic'.


"Allah (SWT) is able to do all things" (Holy Quran 2:109)


tell me where in Quran or Hadeeth there is anything at all that limits Allah Almighty's omnipotence to what we humans deem as 'logic'?

tell me where in Quran or Hadeeth there is anything at all that says that Allah Almighty cannot make a square triangle?






you are assuming that this is my idea and it is not something that I have heard from a Sheikh.

Infact brother suleiman is right. A square triangle is a logical impossibility and hence it can not exist so the question whether Allah can create a "square triangle" or not is superfluous and meaningless. Even if a person responds to such a question with a NO , it does not effects Allah 's omnipotence as the question is referring to a logical impossibility which can not exist/ Same logical impossibilities are posed in various other questions as well , like "Can God make a stone which he can not lift himself?" , "Can God lie?" etc etc.