"The" Eid ul Fitr Message

[Abu Zakir]

some time back you shared a video asking Muslims to educate themselves about money and banking.
i shared it, and one of my friends who is a grad student studying econ in Spain rubbished it. he said it was too simplistic and it was like laymen talking about deep fiqh.

This is abit vague. Which video and what was simplistic about it? Just because someone studies economics and becomes a master or post grad it does not make them an expert. The British Queen went to the London School of Economics and in a speech she asked them all how come no one saw the 2008 crash coming? And none of them had an answer. Yet I know people who are not trained economists who have said all along that it is coming, not 'if' but 'when' it does it will change everything.

Iraq is in the hands of a puppet regime, its oil is owned by America. We can never be sure...but the MIC (military industrial complex) is a large part of the American economy for example Boeing (make commercial airplanes which they sell to countries), but they also get huge government subsidies from the American government to help create fighter jets. And Boeing is not the only company, Microsoft, Apple Intel all of them are like this. If there was no war all this welfare would stop. I would not even be that surprised to learn that these elites who profit from this supply weapons to the other side as well. It is not beyond the realms of possibility. Khair we can never know for sure what these people do behind closed doors...so arguing about it is pointless....

Some people suggest the Capitalist west (bankers and other elites) helped to create Soviet Russia and even sustained it. So anything is possible.

[mh16388]

maybe the mujahideen benefit from a shariah state when the invaders leave/are forced out. its not much, but some land of Allah is run on the shariah of the Prophet (PBUH).

[mh16388]

you shared something about FIAT. it wasn't made by an expert either.

Iraq is in the hands of a puppet regime, its oil is owned by America.

not the whole of Iraq. yes even with the oil the experts termed the war a disaster.

If there was no war all this welfare would stop. I would not even be that surprised to learn that these elites who profit from this supply weapons to the other side as well. It is not beyond the realms of possibility. Khair we can never know for sure what these people do behind closed doors...so arguing about it is pointless....

then why are the US pulling out? why not continue the war with their own soldiers? then again the theory that wars benefit US is not proven.
ok if you do not want to argue about it, yet whenever J!had is discussed you bring the ' they are funded by US and so this J!had is pointless ' theory.

Some people suggest the Capitalist west (bankers and other elites) helped to create Soviet Russia and even sustained it. So anything is possible.

that is a conspiracy theory. yes anything isn't possible when there is no proof.

[Abu Zakir]

[QUOTE=mh16388;807427]you shared something about FIAT. it wasn't made by an expert either.

Yes I wanted the guys specific criticisms why it is simplistic. Sometimes you have to simplify things so you can see the wood from the trees...the complexity hides the facts. Riba is haram yet nearly all trained economists consider it essential, even Muslim economists have adjusted Islamic laws to fit Riba into it.

not the whole of Iraq. yes even with the oil the experts termed the war a disaster.

How is it a disaster? It depends how they are looking at it. From the point of view of others everything they wanted has been accomplished...a few years ago I saw some maps of Iraqi oil pipes being built to supply Israel.

then why are the US pulling out? why not continue the war with their own soldiers? then again the theory that wars benefit US is not proven.

If you (America) have a puppet regime in place that will do your bidding for you, you do not need to be there.

ok if you do not want to argue about it, yet whenever J!had is discussed you bring the ' they are funded by US and so this J!had is pointless ' theory.

Because if America is behind a rebellion and supporting it...I know that they are not doing it for the benefit of Muslims or Islam.

that is a conspiracy theory. yes anything isn't possible when there is no proof.

You have been given basic and simple information about the MIC and how a hierarchical American society functions...you surelly do not expect these people to tell you their plans do you? Its up to you to use your brain and try to look behind the public declarations, I told you everything is not as it seems....they may have helped Hitler and Soviet Russia to get into power...books have been written to prove this.

http://www.reformed-theology.org/htm...s/wall_street/

[mh16388]

How is it a disaster? It depends how they are looking at it. From the point of view of others everything they wanted has been accomplished...a few years ago I saw some maps of Iraqi oil pipes being built to supply Israel.

i already told you. and who are these 'others'? i have already said oil is not the only factor it is just one factor. you were talking about wars aiding US because of production of weapons and employment of soldiers. why have you shifted to oil now?

If you (America) have a puppet regime in place that will do your bidding for you, you do not need to be there.

but you were saying in posts below me the soldiers need to be employed etc. how does that work when they are at home and a puppet regime is in place?

again: the theory that wars benefit US is not proven. any debate on possible ways this could be done is hence unfruitful.

Because if America is behind a rebellion and supporting it...I know that they are not doing it for the benefit of Muslims or Islam.

you have to prove US is 'behind' a rebellion and whether it means military aid or not. the US was 'behind' mujahideen in afghan J!had of 80s. does that make that J!had useless? or the mujahideen US puppets?
then again, there is no proof only conspiracy theories of this being the case right now. they are at a legitimate J!had with the US whether you like it or not.

You have been given basic and simple information about the MIC and how a hierarchical American society functions...you surelly do not expect these people to tell you their plans do you? Its up to you to use your brain and try to look behind the public declarations, I told you everything is not as it seems....they may have helped Hitler and Soviet Russia to get into power...books have been written to prove this.

http://www.reformed-theology.org/htm...s/wall_street/

this is the realm of conspiracy theories. as i said, anything is possible when there is no proof.

[Abu Zakir]

[QUOTE=mh16388;807444]i already told you. and who are these 'others'? i have already said oil is not the only factor it is just one factor. you were talking about wars aiding US because of production of weapons and employment of soldiers. why have you shifted to oil now?

Its multi factors...weapons, economy, resources, drugs (in the case of Afghanistan) I cannot be expected to make a list of everything every time I write about it.

but you were saying in posts below me the soldiers need to be employed etc. how does that work when they are at home and a puppet regime is in place?

The armed forces are still going to be used elsewhere, they are not going to be disbanded and made to seek other jobs, the world is a dangerous place too many terrorists about they need to keep spending more money towards defence.

again: the theory that wars benefit US is not proven. any debate on possible ways this could be done is hence unfruitful.

It is if you study the MIC.

you have to prove US is 'behind' a rebellion and whether it means military aid or not. the US was 'behind' mujahideen in afghan J!had of 80s. does that make that J!had useless? or the mujahideen US puppets?
then again, there is no proof only conspiracy theories of this being the case right now. they are at a legitimate J!had with the US whether you like it or not.

Well let us look at the dispassionately, Afghans fought off the Soviets with US help, then Afghanistan itself had a civil war with various groups internally fighting it out, after many years the Talibs gained some control of the country, then the US attacked them and put their puppet in power. And now there might be more war for many more years.

this is the realm of conspiracy theories. as i said, anything is possible when there is no proof.

You want them to tell you what their plans are? You want them to tell you how they profit from war, when you can already see it.

The dialectic is used:

In a dialectic process describing the interaction and resolution between multiple paradigms or ideologies, one putative solution establishes primacy over the others. The goal of a dialectic process is to merge point and counterpoint (thesis and antithesis) into a compromise or other state of agreement via conflict and tension (synthesis). "Synthesis that evolves from the opposition between thesis and antithesis."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect...alogic_process

As an example there was a group of black nationalists in America in the 1960s known as the black panthers, one of their members claimed to have discovered that it was organized by the white banking elites in America....they use two sides by funding helping both sides (thesis vs antitesis) to arrive at their pre-determened plan (synthesis). The people caught up on either side are usually ignorant of who is running the show from above. Only the top communist russians knew the foot soldiers were ignorant.

[Abu Zakir]

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2008...-war-president


'America's Outrageous War Economy!'
Paul B. Farrell
Pentagon can't find $2.3 trillion, wasting trillions on 'national defense'
August 18, 2008|Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch

And if you google war economy you can find plenty of information of how America is designed by the ruling elites to be a war economy.


http://reformed-theology.org/html/bo...ik_revolution/

How Wall Street helped create the Bolsehivik revolution in Russia. War is good, war is profit war creates a rigid hierarchy at home (a caste system).

[Abu Zakir]

http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html

maps showing oil pipeline being built from Iraq to Israel after the invasion.

"You are looking at the reason for the war against Iraq. This war was initiated by Ehud Barak for Israel's strategic benefit!

Thats what Israel does. It has its intelligence organization, Mossad, carry out false flag operations and deceives others into attacking their enemies. In short they get others to fight their wars for them."



Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil
US discusses plan to pump fuel to its regional ally and solve energy headache at a stroke

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003...lestinians.oil

[mh16388]

http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html

maps showing oil pipeline being built from Iraq to Israel after the invasion.

"You are looking at the reason for the war against Iraq. This war was initiated by Ehud Barak for Israel's strategic benefit!

Thats what Israel does. It has its intelligence organization, Mossad, carry out false flag operations and deceives others into attacking their enemies. In short they get others to fight their wars for them."



Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil
US discusses plan to pump fuel to its regional ally and solve energy headache at a stroke

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003...lestinians.oil

i don't contend this. this is probably true.

yet i concur with the experts who deemed this war a disaster. you have to know the AQ vs US war deeply to understand this.

[mh16388]

Its multi factors...weapons, economy, resources, drugs (in the case of Afghanistan) I cannot be expected to make a list of everything every time I write about it.

these are ambiguous terms and not related to one another.

The armed forces are still going to be used elsewhere, they are not going to be disbanded and made to seek other jobs, the world is a dangerous place too many terrorists about they need to keep spending more money towards defence.

how does that undermine the global J!had? do you want people to just lie down in front of US war machinery because someone proposes that wars help US?

It is if you study the MIC.

no it isnt. because it does not explain the withdrawal of troops and the strain on US economy because of the prolonged war.

Well let us look at the dispassionately, Afghans fought off the Soviets with US help, then Afghanistan itself had a civil war with various groups internally fighting it out, after many years the Talibs gained some control of the country, then the US attacked them and put their puppet in power. And now there might be more war for many more years.

so how does that make the J!had useless?