What I am trying to say is that this forum is made of amateurs - hyperactive virtual-world people who probably wont even go public to do dawah - closet da'ees. When people are making so much sacrifices and whose intention and creed is generally Ahlus-Sunnah then why focus on lapses they make and dismiss their entire portfolio. I never held hamza yusuf as a great exceptional scholar. I always considered and still do a average to upper average good scholar - who from my perspective if also I can achieve 10% of works he has done after my life-span I will be happy. I dont focus on his work alot. He is an tele-evangalist for me who does a good job generally for inspirational format dawah. I have just been newly informed about his stance about qadianis and this dante issue which I have no idea about and will be reading about.
Harun yahya is in another league. I have followed harun yahya for 10 years now in his works. I dont know any single Turk nor has any advocacy group of his influenced me. I dont know any harun yahya close follower as well as a declaration. I started reading his books and literature in 2002 and since developed a great fondness for his works. If his shows were the first and only thing I saw about him I wouldnt have been impressed to the any extent I am about him. I dont know the particular wisdom behind the shows. I think he has his own wisdom behind them. I dont see him promoting to others his particular approach with women. Also I dont see him talking about going movies with women and going on dates and telling women to remove their hijab and to wear tight clothes. He sits there and 90% of the time talks about his view of the world, end times, islamic unity and about the mahdi and about the evil of evolution, atheism, communism and other things like protecting and looking after christians and jews. It is mostly casual talk which reflect his ideas. He occassionally talks about beauty of women, cats, animals, children. I do acknowledge that he is passive to the dresscode of his immediate audience and I dont want to make a judgement about his wisdom behind that. For sure my amal are not affected by this. Infact perhaps the most obvious thing which one can see from his shows and perceive is giving compliments to women and make them feel happy. That also hasnt really fused into me because its not my style. So when you see that his adherents and followers will be influenced in a negative way I think you are wrong. I dont see him telling his group men also to mingle with women and learn Islam from each other in such a setting. Its him alone which has chosen such a setting and as I said again I can only infer some of the points which might have lead him to such a decision but I dont know the real wisdom behind it.
I am making my judgement of him being the most exceptional advocate of Islam of the modern centuries based on his books and other works. There is no validity or proof by those who claim the works are not his principle efforts. Every team has a leader whose thoughts, ideas, knowledge, constitution guide the efforts of the team. It is clear harun yahya can speak and write turkish, his works have amazing literature consistency, his speeches reflect the overall conclusions of all his books. And there is no one claiming the works titled under him as their work. SO it is almost a shame that we have muslims alleging and confident in suspicion that the works are not his authorship. Many classical great scholars have written books ranging from hundreds to a thousands so claiming that the feat is humanly impossible is an exagerration.
I hate long posts but just to clarify my position about these two scholars - one of whom I will not make a judgment upon who I have a generally positive view and dont know about his controversial views in detail and the other who I dismiss all arguments just like all deobandis dismiss any arguments against their greats of barelwi (muslim sunni) accusations without reservation because I have read his works and enjoyed fruits. Consistently amazing fruit only comes from amazing selfs and I and most of us here are only worthy of cleaning their shoes - both Maulana thanvi and harun yahya's.