Demolishing Graves?

[Hafiz Gee]

Given that deobandies claim that it is not in accordance with the hanafi madhab to build over graves. They quote Imam Nawawi and Ibn ABideen amongst others to make their point.

Does this in any way imply that one should demolish graves that have been built over? is there any justification for such an act? The incident regarding Ali (ra) comes to mind wherein he was told to level the graves that were higher than a hand span.

Are our Salafis brethren justified in demolishing tombs like that of Sidi Ahmed Zarruq (rah)?
(though in this case they actually made off with the body, hence some are calling them "grave-robbers").

What should be the stance of the Hanafis on such an issue?

Are we for or against what they did?

Even today in Pakistan there are many bomb blasts taking place at mazars, obviously where people are killed there is no question about condeming the actions, but when only the buildings are removed (without injuring people) what then?

I'm confused about this issue. Deobandies do not advocate building over gaves but my question is about leveling them in cases where elaborate structures/mausoleums have been built.

[AbdurRaheem2]

what is their opinion on people throwing the bodies of the pious into the bush too? as this is what is happening in many places in Africa.

[al-boriqi]

im not necessarily an advocate of removing bodies here, but this is essentially identifying Umar radhiyallahu anhu as a grave robber for taking the body of Prophet Danyel and putting it somewhere else.

Secondly, I do not view, fiqh wise, that demolishing the graves means "bombing them". If there is a legalized fiqh perspective in support for this, then I would respect the opinion, but outside of this, this is simply a mark of barbarism. In the view of what "demolishing" the graves mean, it means simply to level them.
I don't think that Umar would have bombed or nuked a grave site, but would have leveled it, and would have (if necessary) snatched the body and placed it somewhere else, as he with with Prophet Danyel.

But bombing them might be just a bit too much, wallahul-alim

asalamu alaykum

[warea]

im not necessarily an advocate of removing bodies here, but this is essentially identifying Umar radhiyallahu anhu as a grave robber for taking the body of Prophet Danyel and putting it somewhere else.

Secondly, I do not view, fiqh wise, that demolishing the graves means "bombing them". If there is a legalized fiqh perspective in support for this, then I would respect the opinion, but outside of this, this is simply a mark of barbarism. In the view of what "demolishing" the graves mean, it means simply to level them.
I don't think that Umar would have bombed or nuked a grave site, but would have leveled it, and would have (if necessary) snatched the body and placed it somewhere else, as he with with Prophet Danyel.

But bombing them might be just a bit too much, wallahul-alim

asalamu alaykum

Daniels grave incident is just another of those salafi distortions.

[Hafiz Gee]

Daniels grave incident is just another of those salafi distortions.

finally people take interest in Q&A thread i start

there have been so many of my threads that have been buried without replies.

[Abu Yunus]

im not necessarily an advocate of removing bodies here, but this is essentially identifying Umar radhiyallahu anhu as a grave robber for taking the body of Prophet Danyel and putting it somewhere else.

As-salamu alaikum, Brother al-Boriqi.

Interesting to see you here. Hope you are well.

In the narration(s) to which you are referring, before being taken and buried elsewhere, was the body actually buried properly in the first place?

That would be an important point to establish.

[Abu Yunus]

Daniels grave incident is just another of those salafi distortions.

As-salamu alaikum.

Hope you are well too.

Could you explain why you think so?

[Abdul1234]

im not necessarily an advocate of removing bodies here, but this is essentially identifying Umar radhiyallahu anhu as a grave robber for taking the body of Prophet Danyel and putting it somewhere else.

Secondly, I do not view, fiqh wise, that demolishing the graves means "bombing them". If there is a legalized fiqh perspective in support for this, then I would respect the opinion, but outside of this, this is simply a mark of barbarism. In the view of what "demolishing" the graves mean, it means simply to level them.
I don't think that Umar would have bombed or nuked a grave site, but would have leveled it, and would have (if necessary) snatched the body and placed it somewhere else, as he with with Prophet Danyel.

But bombing them might be just a bit too much, wallahul-alim

asalamu alaykum

unfortunately in Somalia many body have been treated disrespectfully and thrown in the bush - some have even been burned.

[Ansari]

unfortunately in Somalia many body have been treated disrespectfully and thrown in the bush - some have even been burned.

Can you link us to any reliable news reports showing that the actually body was thrown in the bush?

[Abdul1234]

I heard it from different places brother but it is one of those things not so easy to verify as you can say that pictures are faked if you want to, but I doubt it http://twcnomad.blogspot.co.uk/2009/...secration.html The Islamic courts were the head of al-shabab, when that head was cut of the youth became like a body acting without a head and without real intelligence or understanding. Many surviving Islamic courts figures have criticized them strongly.