Demolishing Graves?

[al-boriqi]

Daniels grave incident is just another of those salafi distortions.

for some reason I just had a hunch that you were going to insert your 'assabi aspersions to this conversation which matches your historical record here.

[al-boriqi]

As-salamu alaikum, Brother al-Boriqi.

Interesting to see you here. Hope you are well.

In the narration(s) to which you are referring, before being taken and buried elsewhere, was the body actually buried properly in the first place?

That would be an important point to establish.

well, partially, not entirely. Here is why. Let's say for arguments sake that it was buried correctly. The narrations state that Umar chose this course of action to "prevent people from knowing". The purpose of this action was the typical prophet's manner of the protection of tawheed, to make sure no one would be fascinated and perform acts of veneration that go down the path that I think we all know to well what groups are inclined towards these paganistic practices.

At any rate, Ibnul-Qayyim says
ففي هذه القصة ما فعله المهاجرون والأنصار رضي الله عنهم من تعمية قبره لئلا يفتتن به ، ولم يبرزوه للدعاء عنده والتبرك به ، ولو ظفر به المتأخرون لجالدوا عليه بالسيف ولعبدوه من دون الله
In this story the Muhajiroun and Ansaar RadhiAllah anhum, they hide his (Daniel's Peace be upon him) grave in order to prevent the people from getting more fascinated by him; to prevent them from supplicating for him or seeking his blessings. But if the body of that man was found by those who came after those early pious Muslims, they would fight one another and they would even worship him besides Allah.

So Umar was motivated by the sheer fact of protecting the rite of Allah to be raped through the people's glorification of the inhabitant of hte grave, NOT on how he was burried. This is further solidified by the fact that he, in the process of digging his grave, had thirteen other sites dug in order to ensure that the people had no knowledge of which exactly was his grave.

[AbdurRaheem2]

I do feel the sentiment, but one has to remember the context of region, especially a war torn region like Somalia, whom the enemies of Allah helped in destroying by making its puppet client state Ruwanda to attack it SIMPLY because they won with a 100 percent landslide victory for the Islamic party. SIMPLY on that mere incident, this was a "reason" for the instigation of war on the part of Ruwanda, who acted on behalf of U.S. ambitions as this phenomenon in the country was against their imperial interests in the region.

So in the wake of this horrific aftermath where it is essentially a feudal warlord state, things as barbaric as these will naturally happen and the lack of implementation of Islamic rites will naturally be put on the back burner.

May Allah help the Muslims. ameen

Good point brother, but you mean Ethiopians Indeed what the invaders did that is so little reported by the Western media was mass rape, and as they came from a country where in places like Addis Abbaba free sex and nightclubs are now rife they spread aids into a country where due to the relative uprightness of the people it had been almost totally absent beforehand.

Sadly al-Shabab are short of the brains that were present in the Islamic courts and this is why the ignorant extremists amongst them do these things without anyone above them telling them what is right and wrong.

Personally I am all for dismantling the buildings and structures that are over Muslim graves, but decency dictates that this is something that must be done with the utmost respect.

I think the problem with a lot of these ignorant brothers who do these things is that they have a cartoon like image of the traditional style Muslims who differ with them -

like the ones mentioned in the video who imagined that the people in the Masjid worshiped a tree and did sihr with pieces of iron, it would be silly enough to imagine that in India, but when they are in Libya where most of the people of tareeqa are Sanusis who are very much people of the Shariah it is beyond belief

[warea]

Good point brother, but you mean Ethiopians Indeed what the invaders did that is so little reported by the Western media was mass rape, and as they came from a country where in places like Addis Abbaba free sex and nightclubs are now rife they spread aids into a country where due to the relative uprightness of the people it had been almost totally absent beforehand.

Sadly al-Shabab are short of the brains that were present in the Islamic courts and this is why the ignorant extremists amongst them do these things without anyone above them telling them what is right and wrong.

Personally I am all for dismantling the buildings and structures that are over Muslim graves, but decency dictates that this is something that must be done with the utmost respect.

I think the problem with a lot of these ignorant brothers who do these things is that they have a cartoon like image of the traditional style Muslims who differ with them -

like the ones mentioned in the video who imagined that the people in the Masjid worshiped a tree and did sihr with pieces of iron, it would be silly enough to imagine that in India, but when they are in Libya where most of the people of tareeqa are Sanusis who are very much people of the Shariah it is beyond belief

Just because your in favour of a opinion it doesn't give you any right to impose it upon others either harshly or "respectfully". The only opinion of madhabs where the scholars did allow demolishment is in PUBLIC GRAVEYARDS. And here to we have to look how the regional scholars view the fiqh issue and see if there are exceptions that the regional scholars or maliki authorites at large explained.

[AbdurRaheem2]

Just because your in favour of a opinion it doesn't give you any right to impose it upon others either harshly or "respectfully". The only opinion of madhabs where the scholars did allow demolishment is in PUBLIC GRAVEYARDS. And here to we have to look how the regional scholars view the fiqh issue and see if there are exceptions that the regional scholars or maliki authorites at large explained.

this discussion is going on here too http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...an-Graves-quot