Originally Posted by muslim786
assalamu alaikum wr wb
whose email did we post?
not address but the contents u just posted.
assalamu alaikum wr wb
well he spammed it to my email account about 3 times, it was really strange i was like thinking who is this person then i remembered him from jr high like grade six or something, this kid that had severe mental problems, despite he had disabilities he would make fun of me cuz i was a muslim, indian and my name.... yet i ignored him, anways..this person ends up contacting me, im sure he probably contacted the rest of the ppl on there that he knew... but why persist? usually after i tell the ppl im a religious muslim sister that covers from head to toe, and im married and blah blah.. ppl usually either reply back to me, or ppl say oh ok..have a good life then and dont bother.... Allahu Alim.
i just wanted to give him a good response to his spamming bible thumping preaching teaching.....
i dont think he would mind that i posted it here, i think the more ppl that show him would make him read more......
assalamu alaikum wr wb
here's another email sent to me again *sigh* dissect away..
read in the bible that Abraham had two sons one born of a bond maid (Ishmael) and Isaac:..however, Ishmael got a carnal blessing and was sparred because Abraham's sake...this is what the bible calls a bastard...Hebrews 12:8...Ishmael was the bastard child of Abraham....Isaac was the son born of the promise..as Sarah was unable to bear children Abraham thought the child would come from her maid Hagar...Hagar was an Egyptian...which is bondage...Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bond maid, (Hagar/Ishmael) the other by a freewomen. But he who was born after the bond women was born after the flesh, but the freewomen was by promise. (Sarah/Issac)...Sarah gave birth because God healed her Genesis 21:1 And the Lord visited Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did unto Sarah as he had spoken. For Sarah conceived and bare Abraham a son in his old age at the set time of which God had spoken to him. I've seen the hypocrisy of the Muslims...and I know the hypocrisy of the soph called Christians who say they are Jews and are not but of the synagogue of Satan...Revelation 2:9...However, the Muslims refuse the love of the truth, the bastard child of Abraham always mocked Isaac and Sarah told Abraham this Genesis 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bond women and her so: for the son of this bondwomen shall not be heir with my son, even Isaac. Genesis 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad (Ishmael) and because of thy bondwomen; (Hagar) in all that Sarah hath said unto thee hearken unto her voice; for in ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED. Yes, God Blessed Hagar and her seed her Son to be a great nation..but the covenant belongs to Isaac...then Jesus came and Said in John 14:6 I am the way the truth and the life; no man cometh into the Father but by me... The soph called Christians are under the same curse as the Muslims 2nd Cor. 4:3 But if our Gospel be hid it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ who is the image of God, should shine unto them. The Muslims and soph called Christians are both lost by what Jesus said Matthew 15:14 Let them alone; they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both fall into the ditch. A Ditch is dug downward and hell is downward in Luke 16:23 And in HELL he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom. This is where Mohammad will be ending up along with the rest of the Muslims. I knew of one Muslim who converted to the truth to bible and he was persecuted for it. When he herd the truth that the Catholics, or denominations of all kinds or the Soph called Christians I am talking about... are no different then the Muslims..they both are blind, have things that keep then under bondage and have the same God of this world blinding their minds...God gave them a strong delusion to believe a lie that they all might be damned with it because they receive no the love of the truth..2nd Thessolians chapter 2:9-12...That's OK if you don't want to believe the bible the King James the Gospel of Christ because 2nd Cor. 5:10 For we must all face the judgement seat of Christ: that every one may receive the things done in his body, according in that he hath done, weather good or bad. So when you face the real God (not Mohammad or Alla) but the God and Father of Jesus Christ the bible says Matthew 8:11 And many shall come from the east and west and shall sit down with Abraham and Issac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, but he children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth... I don't read that Ishmael will be there or Mohammad...God will give you a taste of heaven and you will be cast out for not obeying the words of the bible...Today I am saved from God's Wrath..1st Thessalonians 1:10 And to Wait for his Son from heaven whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus which delivered us from the wrath to come. NO Matter how long you pray and how often you pray God don't hear the prayer of Sinners John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners; I used to be a sinner in Christ I sin no more..Jesus told the people Go and Sin no more lest a worst thing come unto thee...John 5:14...Jesus came that I may have life..walking with Mohammad or whoever else the pope brings death Moses laws bring death...and the soph called Christians love the world and the things that are in the world are walking in death and not life, to hate their life, and hate mother, father and brother and sister....hate what they gave you Luke 14:26...One Last Note...Jesus said it so perfectly to the people who refused his words in his days this describes Mohamed, the pope, the nuns, the Jesuit priests and denominations so clearly John 8:44 Ye are your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murder from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. when he speaketh a lie he speaketh of his own; for he is a liar, and the father of it. and because I tell you the truth ye believe me not. Jesus always told truth Mohammad never did neither did Ishmael...Moses never arose form the dead like Jesus did...Jesus was the one who arose from the dead to give life and more abundantly...well, I just go unto the next person then if you don't want the love of the truth I am telling you how to be free from sin, and perfect with God and Father of Lord Jesus Christ, and sanctified, and holy....it is all by doing what the bible says and staying int he bible...I know that you will not convert to the truth the bible because you are dead in your sins and trespasses...dead like Mohamed in your Spirit...you will see where my God will plant your feet next...2nd Peter chapter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have know en the way of righteousness, then after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. Well, that is it..if you want to give up the false teachings of man Mohammad and his confusion get in the bible...if not don't write to me....don't want to believe what the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ gave me to write unto you well, I can't help you..neither can the God of Alla or Ishmael or Mohamed help you...nor the God that makes it rain and snow that is the God I serve who makes it flood and earth quakes and causes wars and makes it sunny that is my God I serve...the Living God it is all in the bible...God is not a God of the dead but of the living...Matthew 22:32
well i have very little knowledge of the bible so when ever i speak with a christian i always go along these lines to disprove the bible in one go
so this way he can't quote anything from the bible unless he is about to show a miracel- of which there are non and well he is a bit stuck.Any christians around here that can prove that the bible is the teachings of jesus (peace be upon him) as he left them written by his follwers. Cos if the bible is not the teachings of jesus (peace be upon him) then obviously christianity in its true original form has become extinct and the christianity we have now is, well perhaps something made up by humans throughout the course of history?
So what i'd like to see is evidence that the bible is the teachings that jesus (peace be upon him), wheteher written by him or by his close followers left for us, and not something that has been made up by people thoroughout the last couple of thousand years.
I actually had a christian that knocked on my door once to preach to me. After giving him the above argument he was admittadley saying "blind belief, thats the word blind belief."
So then you say Well islam has belief as well as proof.
Try out my quote above sis and see what he has to say.
Sister, there is a board named;
www.myiwc.com - a vibrant discussion board, and i would admit, with brothers such as Asif and brother Tayeb and sister Lulua at the board, i have learnt alot about 'refuting' and helping fellow christians > Comparitive Relgion.
Have a read through that sub section of the forum. It is very useful. I am also part of the board, Alhamdulilah. Its a small forum with good brothers and sisters amougst its moderators/users.
Hope that helps.
try; Islamic awarness via google, there website is good too.
“If anyone of you gets angry, let him keep quiet”.
Ignore this loser, I can gaurantee you aren't going to win, save for Allah Ta'Ala. Converts are the worst, believe me, I know. Your best bet would be to make Dua to Allah to put the love of Islam in his heart.
If you still feel the need for debate, you can forward his emails to me at Edited Out
I used to be christian, and believe me, I know all the tricks. I'll read over his letter and give you some advice (first fact: He doesn't even know his bible, he must be parroting somebody else; it also states in the OT that Hagar was a wife of Ibrahim AS. Genesis 16:2 specifically states that Hagar was given by Sarah as a second wife. See more an Hajar and the Yahuda's corruption of their scriptures at the end).
1) Establish that the Gospel and the Torah are corrupted scriptures. This is absolutely essential, otherwise you will be fighting on their turf, and you will lose. Professor Morton Smith (find info about him on the net or his books at Amazon.com) is particularly good for this. A perfect example: While excavating in St. Catharine's Monastery in Palestine, he discovered a letter by a "Great Christian Leader", Bishop Clement, to one of his functionaries, a Theodorus, in Gaul. This letter instructed Theodorus to deliberately suppress and erase a section of Mark's gospel relating to the resurrection of Lazarus in order to win an argument with a group of sectarians who were supposedly "misinterpreting" the verse in question).
2) Point out how many times the bible contradicts history. This is available at any number of anti-christian (not necessarily pro muslim) websites
3) Throw him some curve balls, I.E. he quotes Galatians, but in Galatians paul specifically states that it is not necessary for "christians" to follow Torah law, but then why are christian boys circumcised (and Paul specifically talks about that)
4) Talk about our Prophet in the Bible. Muhammad in the Bible is good for that, as is Disc 7 (I think that's the one) of Anwar al-Awlaki's "The Life of Muhammad: The Makkan Period"
5) Point out the huge inconsistencies in the Gospels. Example: The Gospel of Matthew states Isa AS was born in a house, another gospel (I believe it is luke or john's) states he was born in a manger. The description of his crucifiction (that was intentional ) are also different from gospel to gospel.
Now, let us return to the subject of Ismail, Hajar, and Ibrahim AS. Ismail is unquestinably Ibrahims first born. The Jews changed their scripture (every Nabi after Sulayman AS speaks of it, see Jeremiah 8:8), in order to usurp the rights of the Promised land to the first born (Meaning us, the spiritual or blood descendants of Ismail), out of envy. Let us not forget that Hajar was the daughter of Firaun (not the moses Firaun, an earlier one). Ibrahim hid with Sarah in egypt, Sarah pretending to be Ibrahim's sister. Sarah was an ungodly attractive women, and Ibrahim was afraid that someone in power would take a liking to Sarah, kill him, and take her as a wife. So, Firaun becomes smitten with Sarah, and believing her to be Ibrahim's sister (and not wife) tries to bed her. But, he has a dream, which states that Sarah is the lawful wife of Ibrahim, and that to do anything foolish would result in Firauns death. So, Firaun grants Sarah Hajar, his daughter. Obviously, Hajar was royalty. By doing this, Firaun publicly cleared Sarah of any immorality and greatly increased Ibrahim's standing among the populace. Some of the more recent jew publications of genisis use the word "Concubine" instead of wife, but the original hebrew is unquestionably "wife" (the word in arabic is zaujah). For Sarah to have given Hajar as a "concubine" (he says contemptuosly) would have been a grave breach of etiquette, an unforgivable slander on both Hajar and Firaun. To do so would require pettiness and jealousy on the part of Sarah. So, do you see how the Yahuda disparage not only Hajar but Sarah, in their envy? Wallahi, the rabbinic tradition and talmud even disparages Nuh, alaihi salaam. A wicked people, to be sure.
I've been on both sides of the aisle. I can tear his arguments into tiny little pieces and dance on what's left, but that won't help; I know a nut when I see one.
My advice? Spam Blocker.
But, if you wish to continue on with him, shoot me an email, and I will give you everything you need.
Last edited by Live for Islam; 24-08-2004 at 02:08 PM. Reason: No posting of email addresses on mixed forums, Insha-Allah.
Akhti UmmIbrahimIsa, have you heard any more from this Kafir?